RACINE COUNTY — Photo identification wasn’t required to vote this November, but that doesn’t mean debate over its necessity disappeared in the national discourse, let alone in Wisconsin.

Although the state law requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls passed last year, the ID requirement was blocked in courts, and therefore not in effect. Some legislators want the requirement back in action while others hope it stays dead.

Here’s a roundup of where our local lawmakers stand:

Rep. Peter Barca, D-Kenosha

Support voter ID? No.

Why not? “We must protect people’s right to vote and that right should be neither undermined nor abused. It is vital to ensure no one is ever kept from exercising their constitutional right to participate in our democracy.

“Under the extreme version of a voter ID law passed by Republicans, a Mount Pleasant veteran who showed his veteran’s photo ID was stopped from voting. And because the law was so extreme it is tied up in the courts. We must ensure we are not passing laws that stop seniors, students, veterans and minorities from voting, which is not in step with Wisconsin values.”

Rep. David Craig, R-Big Bend

Support voter ID? Yes.

Why? “The integrity of our elections goes to the very heart of our republic. It is absolutely imperative that we ensure that the votes of law-abiding citizens are not disenfranchised by election fraud. Our voter ID law helps to ensure just that. Even one case of election fraud is one too many.

“Requiring a photo ID to vote is a reasonable and common-sense solution for verifying the identity of individuals casting a ballot on Election Day. The law even provides for a free photo ID for citizens upon request.

“Because voting is one of our most important rights and one of the primary means of preserving our republic, it is reserved for eligible electors and they are entitled to cast only one ballot in each election. Presenting a photo ID at the polling place helps ensure both those requirements are met and further upholds the integrity of our elections, for the good of all.”

Sen. John Lehman, D-Racine

Support voter ID? No.

Why not? “The proposed changes Republicans have made is voter suppression. There’s very little real evidence of fraud. ... This November, voter turnout was extremely high in Milwaukee and Racine and across the state. I don’t want to diminish that enthusiasm by talking about voter ID.”

Rep. Cory Mason, D-Racine

Support voter ID? No.

Why not? “The Wisconsin Constitution gives its citizens the right to vote. The voter ID bill needlessly disenfranchises hundreds of thousands of Wisconsin voters, particularly seniors, students and people of color.”

Rep. Robin Vos, R-Rochester

Support voter ID? Yes.

Why? “Voter ID is simply a common-sense law. People need a photo ID to rent a movie or cash a check. Voting is such an important right of our citizens. It only makes sense to have someone

show their photo identification when they’re stating their personal choice for representation in government.

“I firmly believe that the law we passed will withstand these court challenges and will be in place for future elections.”

Rep.-elect Tom Weatherston, R-Caledonia

Support voter ID? Yes.

Why? “In our everyday lives we’re required to carry identification, and I don’t see why we’d be against identifying ourselves while polling.

“It not only makes you identify yourself, but I know from experience working with Caledonia that it’s much easier for the poll workers. ... It just speeds everything up.”

Sen. Robert Wirch, D-Somers

Support voter ID? No.

Why not? “I think the judge properly shut down the (voter ID) law. I voted against it because I did not see any evidence of widespread voter fraud. There have been many investigations.

“Our Republican attorney general did a search for voter ID and he came up with less than a dozen cases statewide. I think this is simply a voter suppression effort by the Republican Party.

“Now, I have an open mind, if they can in fact show me widespread voter fraud then I would be willing to take another look at it, but so far that proof has not been brought forward to public officials.”

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Zigmond
Zigmond

I have been beating my head against the wall wondering how someone could not see the need to show who you are when voting. Then I looked at my E-Mail for my Progressive alto-egos this is what I saw:

Dear Zigmond,

I wanted to make sure you saw Kristen’s note last week about Scott Walker's latest scheme to disenfranchise Wisconsin voters.

Thousands of concerned Wisconsin citizens have already signed our petition, telling Governor Walker to keep his hands off our democracy but time is running out. Make your voice heard today and help protect our democracy.

Sign our petition and tell Governor Walker to keep his hands off our democracy!

Sincerely,

Kim Warkentin
We Are Wisconsin

I didn't realize that some people actually take this B.S. seriously. I passed it as crazy talk. Then I looked back at the reproductive rights E-mails and it cemented my vision of the opposition, Drones, through and through. Sign onto their sites and monitor their lunacy. Just remember that it is their religion, their reason to live. We have a hard time relating to that, but that is how they see the political battle. They are waging Jihad, we thought it was just politics as usual.

granny grits
granny grits

It appears you are willing to allow republican plenty of leeway in hiring firms to disenfranchise voters, but when there is pushback you become indignant. How predictable.


Why not google 'Strategic Allied Consulting' and try defending republicans hiring a company specifically to suppress votes from democrats?

pleasantman
pleasantman

Hey Cory Mason/John Lehman, how is it that this group you like to describe can get to the Soical Security office to register for benefits? How did they get to the welfare office to register for food stamp, how did they manage to get to the office to obtain the free cell phone? Hmmmm, seems like if there is soemthing they really want, they can get there. Cory, they seemed to be able to crawl in through your office window last February when the Capital was on official close down, so I'm pretty sure they can make it to a local government office to register to vote.

USAGC
USAGC

I wonder if photo ID will be required to get our free Obamacare?

Joeboy5471
Joeboy5471

You won't get Obamacare for free, unless you are on public assistance. Are you at the library using the computer?

Zigmond
Zigmond

USAGC,, bet on needing Photo ID to get Obamacare. Can't get welfare, utility service, renting, buying, boarding a plane or train or getting ANY bank account. The only important thing a photo ID is not needed for, is infested with (D) fraud, voting. No question why they take the stance they do, keep their fraud going.

Zigmond
Zigmond

Those who say NO FRAUD, are either ignorant or want to keep the cheating going.

[snip]That backing is based on real evidence. In 2004, John Kerry won Wisconsin over George W. Bush by 11,380 votes out of 2.5 million cast. After allegations of fraud surfaced, the Milwaukee police department's Special Investigative Unit conducted a probe. Its February 2008 report found that from 4,600 to 5,300 more votes were counted in Milwaukee than the number of voters recorded as having cast ballots. Absentee ballots were cast by people living elsewhere; ineligible felons not only voted but worked at the polls; transient college students cast improper votes; and homeless voters possibly voted more than once. [end snip] ---- http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704671904575193930226978178.html

The problem is that we can't take back the fraudulent votes once they are cast. Every fraudulent vote nullifies a honest vote. That is the real disanfranchisement we need to address.

Zigmond
Zigmond

Such organized voter fraud means that it happened elseware. Vote fraud is like seeing a rat, there are hundreds for every one seen. I can't wait to cast my next vote in a fraud free election. Photo ID AND no same day registration is the way to get there.

2brnt2b
2brnt2b

so, homeless people can't vote? Not even citizens?

Zigmond
Zigmond

2brnt2b,,, take another toke, Anyone that can do this very simple act, prove that they are an American citizen that lives at a verifiable address, can vote only once with said name and address. THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE VOTER. Voting is too important to let legitamate votes get watered down with fraud. See what vote fraud has done here without it.

2brnt2b
2brnt2b

To all the Voter ID proponents: Have you ever attempted to cast your ballot only to find your doppelganger got there first? Were you ever turned away because the clerk thought you looked just a little too hinky? Have you EVER not been able to vote?

Maybe it's time to just worry about yourself and start minding your own business. Stop trying to control everyone else.

jrunny
jrunny

"Maybe it's time to just worry about yourself and start minding your own business. Stop trying to control everyone else."

So you feel the same why as the government intrude on our freedoms as obamacare wreaks our country

2brnt2b
2brnt2b

wrecks. don't you ever get tired of not knowing what you're talking about?

2brnt2b
2brnt2b

Can't you find a more constructive use of your time than making trouble when there isn't any?

I Come In Peace
I Come In Peace

Millions have been spent on proving that voter fraud exists. And every time a negligible amount has been found. 20 instances in 2008 (11 were felons who thought they could vote). So of course irrational Republicans, like Vos, want to spend millions more to require voter ID. But we know the real reason. His kind are looking for any edge in future elections. Walker, Vos, and others like them are completely dishonest. Wake up.

oldpatriot2
oldpatriot2

I guess it is not a surprise how and partisan line up is on this question. That Wirch says he won't take action until voter fraud is widespread is a bit of a surprise—not that he thinks this, but that he is so brazen with the comment. A little voter fraud is OK????

educator
educator

ANY attempt to limit a person's right to vote is dead WRONG. What you all must see is that voting is every American's RIGHT. Drivers licenses, checking accounts, and all the other things listed here are privileges NOT rights. Why don't the Republicans just admit this is simply an attempt to suppress the votes of certain groups. Wake up people and object to this baloney.

Conservative10
Conservative10

Dear Educator: Well let's take your logic further on Rights......... as so is owning a firearm. Are you claiming that IDs shouldn't be required for that either ?

2brnt2b
2brnt2b

Not the same thing as voting.

Westsider
Westsider

Any sensible Republicans left? Voter suppression a losing issue, just vindictive politic.

Cincinnatus Racine
Cincinnatus Racine

Hundreds of postcards sent to people who registered on election day for the recall election in the city of Racine were returned as undeliverable. John Lehman only won by a few hundred votes.

Zigmond
Zigmond

Yea, that is why they want same day registration, no way to catch the fraud BEFORE it is perpetrated. We just see the fake addresses/names after the crime when we have no recourse.

When you expose the lying cheating machine the (D)'s set up, they will say "you don't know how they voted". You can't take the (D)'s serious, they are not rational.

1968vet
1968vet

This is news?
Was there ever any doubt now this question would be answered?
R = Yes
D = No
Any way to get rid of them all and start over?

margeg
margeg

In case you haven't noticed lately 2brnt2b you do not need an ID to register. All you need is a bill, advertisement, whatever with an address on it. How do you think Lehman and Wirch were elected? If you recall Racine had one of the most dishonest elections (recall in June) in the State.

An American
An American

That isn't true according to Racine County's Republican Clerk and Racine County's Republican Sheriff. And I don't think they are liars. They found no wrong-doings. So where is this Racine with one of the most dishonest elections? Do you know more than the Republican Sheriff and Republican Clerk? Were you involved?

2brnt2b
2brnt2b

I register voters. You need an id.

So do you all trash talk at work? at the table? at the store? Just wondering.

Zorro
Zorro

No legitimate investigation uncovered any evidence of voter fraud. Stop trying to make your myths fact. They're lies, and it appears the people know it.

Zigmond
Zigmond

Enough with repeating the big lies.

Here are the facts:
To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state.
True The Vote recently found 99 cases of potential felony interstate voter fraud.
Maryland affiliates of True The Vote uncovered cases of people registering and voting after their respective deaths.
This year, True The Vote uncovered more than 348,000 dead people on the rolls in 27 states.
12 Indiana counties have more registered voters than residents.
The Ohio Secretary of State admitted that multiple Ohio counties have more registered voters than residents.
Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration.
The Florida New Majority Education Fund, Democratic Party of Florida and the National Council of La Raza are currently under investigation for alleged voter registration fraud.

http://www.truethevote.org/news/how-widespread-is-voter-fraud-2012-facts-figures

Joeboy5471
Joeboy5471

Your sources stink of right wing half truths and urban legends.

ggodmuls
ggodmuls

No legitimate investigation uncovered any evidence of voter fraud.

Your assumption that is was legitimate can't be proven.

You don't uncover fraud when you don't diligently search for it.

It's not that fraud, especially in the Lehman fiasco, didn't occur, they just decided to NOT investigate it by opening an investigation then not investigating, then making a declaratory statement that there was no fraud. THE INVESTIGATION WAS A FRAUD!

Whoa There
Whoa There

WOW - such bitterness! I feel that my rights are violated everytime I am asked for my photo ID to write a check, use my social security number to get a loan, open a checking/savings account/get a job/, use my photo ID to travel by air/travel by car to Mexico or Canada (passport photo ID needed). Let's see how much more room do we have to write down what I need a photo ID to get services. Pretty much EVERYTHING, oh yeah, except voting. We have the same old thing in our State Legislature. Neither side is willing to compromise, because it's not what their constituents want, but what the party wants.

Lionhear
Lionhear

Photo voter ID is a good idea, and common sense tells one it is the way to go in the future.

Sir Cumference
Sir Cumference

To the “conservatives” who support the current voter ID law, I think everyone should show an ID proving their citizenship before they are allowed to vote. Does anyone have a good idea how? Because the simple fact of the matter is that showing a driver’s license doesn’t prove you’re a citizen, it only proves that you can drive!

I work with many people who are not U.S. citizens, but have valid Wisconsin Driver’s licenses. Does that mean that they should be allowed to vote? Personally I don’t think so!

Now let’s talk about another kind of voter fraud. Strategic Allied Consultants, a Republican voter registration company, working for the RNC is currently under investigation for voter fraud, relating to registering dead people, altering real forms, creating fake forms, and destroying forms from people who identified themselves as Democrats. How does flashing a driver’s license stop this (far more widespread) fraud? (Apparently Democrats aren’t the only ones capable of “Acorn like” behavior, so maybe this is the bigger problem!)

Let me know when you come up with a voter ID law that actually works. (And is legal, per that pesky document, “The Constitution of the United States”), however, since I doubt that’s your real intent, I don’t think I’ll hold my breath.

Zigmond
Zigmond

At least you know who placed the fraudulent vote if found later. Accountability will do wonders to keep people honest. All they need is a line on the drivers license that says "CITIZEN OF THE USA". simple enough.

Say it ain't so
Say it ain't so

Republicans think if we had voter ID, they will have a better chance at winning the Presidential election. Bunch of phonys. Hey racist republicants get bent. Go shut the front door. Losers.

exafosi
exafosi

Welcome to the Fascist States of America where you must show your papers(ID) to do anything in life.

ggodmuls
ggodmuls

This is nothing new, so so us a favor and lose the hyperbole.

You've had to show papers for DECADES!

An American
An American

Republicans are desperate to control voting because demographics are changing so rapidly that the GOP could soon become a thing of the past. They were shocked by that fact on November 6, when voters overwhelmingly chose President Obama over Mitt Romney. The party still is at odds with itself over how to change, but after Romney’s 47 percent comment, it became more than clear that Republicans are a rich white man’s party. Soon, today’s minorities will be in the majority, and the rich white man will feel what it is like to be put in the back of the bus. The GOP has become extremely radical with its Tea Party influence, and it refusal to compromise. Voters have caught on to this as well.

While we are a democracy, we should be finding ways to encourage our citizens to vote and become involved in our government, not develop restrictions to alienate. Those who have been left behind might find a way to take control, and that is very scary to Republicans who have had their way for so long.

Al Czervik
Al Czervik

Do the poor get their government handouts without and ID?

This is also the smug elitist "I hate the poor" attitude that has isolated Republicans to only middle and upper class white voters. The Republican demographic is growing smaller so it is time to change the voting laws and district lines to survive.

ggodmuls
ggodmuls

This is also the smug elitist "I hate the poor" attitude that has isolated Republicans to only middle and upper class white voters.

AL - saying something untruthful, like that, doesn't make it so.

Government handouts are all wealth transfers - that money is taken from someone who earned it, via government taxation, and given to others, based upon?....

Let's talk about Team Porters - whom the Democrats local favorite good old boys, John Dickert, Greg Helding and Jim Kaplan, are giving over $1.1M of money taken via property taxes to. Team Porters is going to create more Downtown apartments and retail in a Downtown that is has an excessive capacity of both. Further, TID 17 removes that property from the tax rolls and shifts the burden of RUSD, GATEWAY, and County taxes onto the poor unemployed homeowners of Racine. This is Democrat welfare for the Corporate wealthy - creating more poverty amongst the working poor. How is that justified?

ggodmuls
ggodmuls

John Lehman opposing Voter ID when it is likely he won only because the election was tainted in Racine and voting bags were "mishandled". Strange how that happens.....

Cory Mason, hurriedly moved by the Dems from Kinzie Ave to his fancy digs on Michigan Blvd. so he can continue to push the agenda of the SWPL DWL's in Downtown Racine who couldn't bear the thought of having an African American representing them in a primarily African American District that has an extraordinary amount of unemployment, absentee slumlords, and that RUSD blames for making Racine #last in education achievement. How will Cory Mason's non-inclusive agenda of Root Works, Root Works, and Root Works, help them?

Peter Barca and Robert Wirch..... shakes head..... Where's Chrysler and all those big$$$ jobs now? Starting to feel some economic pain down there - now that you've taxed and destroyed a large part of your economic tax base? Looks like your party's over, boys. Now what?

please
please

ggodmuls you have too remenber one thing the democrates did not do anything too
Chrysler it was the rich white guys who ran it. Just ask Wirch, Mason,Barca and Lehman
they will joyfully tell you that and have no concerns that they are lying throught there teeth?????????.

Jorgeaz
Jorgeaz

One needs photo ID to cash a check, see a Dr., buy or rent a house, get a bank acct.,get any sort of help from the govt., buy or rent a car,even to see a social security worker,why should voting be any different?

2brnt2b
2brnt2b

It doesn't involve a financial exchange? Or does it in your world.

granny grits
granny grits

More voter suppression and other tricks by republicans. SAC purposely submitted registration forms with incorrect addresses which prevented citizens from voting. Google the company to find out their close ties to the republican party and how many states they were operating in before being caught.

'Strategic Allied Consultants, a GOP-backed consulting firm may have submitted "hundreds" of faked voter registration forms in Florida, according to the Florida Department of State.'

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granny grits
granny grits

Sometimes it is best to say nothing rather than confirm what others already suspect.

Bucky
Bucky

It is interesting that the Democratic oppose Voter ID. Does it prevent fraud? Is this the only way the DEMS can get all the votes they need. Looks like the answer is obvious.

Rep turned Democrat
Rep turned Democrat

Show us the voter fraud! Prove to us the fraud! Republicans cant SHOW the proof of fraud. Even the courts are having trouble proving fraud because of LACK of evidence.

Like Walker said, "if we can't get them to vote for us, then we will keep them from voting"

Here's your problem republicans...if you jam the tea partys idealogical radical brainwashing scheme down our throats, you will LOSE elections. Obama won, get over it.

please
please

Just like Walker won Twice get over it!!!!!!!!!!!! however i doubt that you will but it is worth the time it took to type this GET OVER IT .

educator
educator

It's been proven over and over again that there is extremely little voter fraud. In fact the largest example of voter fraud was by Republicans in Florida when George Bush should have lost the Presidential election. FACT

mt_pleasantly
mt_pleasantly

I think voter ID for same day registration is reasonable. I personally don't know anyone without an ID.

2brnt2b
2brnt2b

It doesn't matter when you register to vote, same day or not, you need an ID to register. Needing one to vote as well is redundant.

Zorro
Zorro

When are Republicans going to realize this nonsense costs them tens of thousands of votes?

Joeboy5471
Joeboy5471

Hopefully after it is too late to recover.

ggodmuls
ggodmuls

What have we got here?

Abbott and Costello?

ggodmuls
ggodmuls

When are Republicans going to realize this nonsense costs them tens of thousands of votes?

This is not a true statement in any way, shape or form.

Is this the best you can do today?

Zorro
Zorro

Ask about down in Florida.

Joeboy5471
Joeboy5471

Voter ID requirements favor the Republicans by limiting the ability for the poor to vote in elections. I would have supported the WI law if it was handled in a better way going through the legislature. It isn't a common sense law as Rep Vos says. It is really an ALEC law favored by Vos. Votr fraud in the US is extremely rare. Dozens of studies by institutions of higher learning have determined that. So why have the law? It goes back to the premis to limit the poorer voter who normally votes Democratic. Republicans who continue to support such laws will get the back lash and no support from minorities, a voting block they need going forward to maintain viability as a political party.

ggodmuls
ggodmuls

Do the poor get their government handouts without and ID?

please
please

ggodmuls,
You need too quit asking Liberal question they have no ideal how too handle it.

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