City buildings weapons ban headed for final consideration

Council wants other concealed carry rules to match state law
2013-02-21T06:30:00Z 2013-12-18T14:10:20Z City buildings weapons ban headed for final considerationCARA SPOTO cara.spoto@journaltimes.com Journal Times

RACINE — An ordinance revision officially banning weapons in city-owned buildings is on its way to the City Council for final consideration.

The state’s concealed carry law went into effect in November 2011. Just before it went into place, Mayor John Dickert issued an executive order banning anyone other than law enforcement officers from bringing a gun or any other weapons into City Hall or other city-owned buildings.

On Wednesday the Committee of the Whole recommended 8-2 that the executive order be codified by sending an ordinance revision to City Council. Twelve of the committee’s 15 members were present for the vote. Chairman Jim Kaplan didn’t need to vote — as there was no tie — and Alderman Jim Morgenroth abstained.

Giving his reasons for abstaining, Morgenroth said he thought having signs banning people with concealed carry permits from bringing weapons into City Hall just gives “bad guys” the message that city buildings are a place where there is “no protection.”

“Without metal detectors or a physical search, we’re wide open to any crazy person doing what they would do elsewhere,” he said.

No aldermen spoke in favor of the ban, but Alderman Molly Hall asked if staff were in favor of prohibiting concealed weapons. City Attorney Scott Letteney said that he polled the heads of the city’s unions in October, and none of them said their membership was against a ban.

Later, at the City Council meeting that followed the committee meeting, aldermen voted to have the City Attorney’s Office draft an ordinance revision making other city rules governing the carrying of concealed weapons consistent with state law.

The two separate ordinances allow the city to ban weapons in city buildings while still following the new state law.

While the concealed carry law allows cities to ban concealed weapons in city-owned buildings, it also governs rules for the carrying of concealed weapons in a host of other places.

For instance, the state law prohibits any local government from banning someone with a concealed carry permit from carrying that weapon in a park, but the city still has ordinances on the books that do just that.


What comes next?

Final consideration of the City Hall weapons ban will likely occur when the City Council meets again on March 5.

Final consideration of ordinance revisions that would allow concealed carry in other parts of the city, such as city parks, could occur at that time as well.

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(7) Comments

  1. Joeboy5471
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    Joeboy5471 - February 21, 2013 10:25 am
    I have to agree with Ald. Morgenroth on this issue. If the full council votes for the ban it only shows how plain stupid they are. Anyone who wants to do physical harm or intimidate with a handgun or other weapon will disregard the ban. All it does do is afford a leser included charge if someone does go into a building and attack somone. it does not provide one bit of safety to the individuals in the building and puts them at greater risk because they have no way to legally defend themselves. If there was a real concern for safety they would be installing magnatrons and having building security. They are willing to spend over a $500 on new restrooms and they aren't even a good place to hide. Remember folks, these people are controlling your lives and spending your money Wake up and vote anyone out who votes for the ban including the mayor.
  2. LIBERTY AND jUSTICE
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    LIBERTY AND jUSTICE - February 21, 2013 10:19 am
    Do not forget New Yorks finest wounding 9 innocent civilians at the Empire State Building.
  3. ggodmuls
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    ggodmuls - February 21, 2013 9:34 am
    IQ's aren't cumulative.
  4. Relocate
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    Relocate - February 21, 2013 8:57 am
    If the weapon is concealed...how will city hall employees and our infamous mayor know someone has a concealed weapon? How will city employees feel intimidated by a CCW permittee? The darned things are concealed!!!
  5. LIBERTY AND jUSTICE
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    LIBERTY AND jUSTICE - February 21, 2013 8:51 am
    It looks like our local leaders are once again tucking their tails between their legs. I honestly thought that Greg Helding (my alderman) and a few others had a bigger set than this.
  6. Give Me a Break
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    Give Me a Break - February 21, 2013 7:24 am
    Law enforcement officers... like the ones that opened fire on innocent people in L.A. recently because they drove a truck completely unlike the suspect they were chasing? Sure, we can trust them.
  7. TKay
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    TKay - February 21, 2013 7:23 am
    Make sure the signs are REALLY BIG so that the bad guys know that weapons are a no-no.
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